Comments on: Interview Part 2: Skeptical OB, Dr. Amy Tuteur http://sciencebasedparenting.com/2010/08/01/interview-part-2-skeptical-ob-dr-amy-tuteur/ Sun, 28 Nov 2010 02:18:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Chris3bigkids http://sciencebasedparenting.com/2010/08/01/interview-part-2-skeptical-ob-dr-amy-tuteur/#comment-7645 Chris3bigkids Fri, 01 Oct 2010 16:14:12 +0000 http://sciencebasedparenting.com/?p=2145#comment-7645 Because fishies poop in the water. ;-) Because fishies poop in the water. ;-)

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By: Mia Scotland http://sciencebasedparenting.com/2010/08/01/interview-part-2-skeptical-ob-dr-amy-tuteur/#comment-7644 Mia Scotland Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:58:24 +0000 http://sciencebasedparenting.com/?p=2145#comment-7644 Primates weren't evolved to birth in water? What a crazy statement. Other primates don't birth in water, sure, but humans are different. Humans are hairless, other primates are hairy, humans LOVE water (beaches, swimming pools, baths, showers) other primates HATE them. Human's swim, have noses designed for swimming etc etc. See Elaine Morgan's work. Humans LOVE to birth in water. Why denigrate that and claim it unsafe? Let's help each other, and do the research to make it safe. LISTEN to women, as well as the science. Primates weren’t evolved to birth in water?
What a crazy statement. Other primates don’t birth in water, sure, but humans are different.
Humans are hairless, other primates are hairy, humans LOVE water (beaches, swimming pools, baths, showers) other primates HATE them. Human’s swim, have noses designed for swimming etc etc. See Elaine Morgan’s work.
Humans LOVE to birth in water. Why denigrate that and claim it unsafe? Let’s help each other, and do the research to make it safe. LISTEN to women, as well as the science.

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By: Chris http://sciencebasedparenting.com/2010/08/01/interview-part-2-skeptical-ob-dr-amy-tuteur/#comment-6092 Chris Wed, 11 Aug 2010 16:17:40 +0000 http://sciencebasedparenting.com/?p=2145#comment-6092 While the transcript is above, it does miss the voice tones that have nuances in meaning. While the transcript is above, it does miss the voice tones that have nuances in meaning.

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By: Chris http://sciencebasedparenting.com/2010/08/01/interview-part-2-skeptical-ob-dr-amy-tuteur/#comment-6091 Chris Wed, 11 Aug 2010 16:15:45 +0000 http://sciencebasedparenting.com/?p=2145#comment-6091 I also download NPR's Science Friday and Wait Wait Don't Tell Me! because I do not want to be dependent on when they come on to the radio. Also, mp3 players are quite useful for listening to audio books that can be downloaded from a library site. Now that I am not spending two hours a week in waiting rooms while my son gets therapy, my reading time has been cut down. So listening to books while weeding the garden is quite handy. The problem is that you are commenting on a podcast that you did not listen to. I also download NPR’s Science Friday and Wait Wait Don’t Tell Me! because I do not want to be dependent on when they come on to the radio.

Also, mp3 players are quite useful for listening to audio books that can be downloaded from a library site. Now that I am not spending two hours a week in waiting rooms while my son gets therapy, my reading time has been cut down. So listening to books while weeding the garden is quite handy.

The problem is that you are commenting on a podcast that you did not listen to.

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By: Elizabeth http://sciencebasedparenting.com/2010/08/01/interview-part-2-skeptical-ob-dr-amy-tuteur/#comment-6069 Elizabeth Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:00:57 +0000 http://sciencebasedparenting.com/?p=2145#comment-6069 I don't have an mp3 player and I'm not going to get one to listen to what I can read, but thanks. I prefer to listen to balanced (or at least... more balanced) reporting from NPR and relaxing music. You have printed the transcripts and I've read some of her blog posts. I don’t have an mp3 player and I’m not going to get one to listen to what I can read, but thanks. I prefer to listen to balanced (or at least… more balanced) reporting from NPR and relaxing music. You have printed the transcripts and I’ve read some of her blog posts.

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By: Chris http://sciencebasedparenting.com/2010/08/01/interview-part-2-skeptical-ob-dr-amy-tuteur/#comment-6066 Chris Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:30:25 +0000 http://sciencebasedparenting.com/?p=2145#comment-6066 So you have not heard the podcast. Here is an idea, get an mp3 player (some are very inexpensive) and a pair of headphones. Download the podcast to the mp3 player and listen to the podcasts while doing things like folding laundry, shopping and walking. So you have not heard the podcast. Here is an idea, get an mp3 player (some are very inexpensive) and a pair of headphones. Download the podcast to the mp3 player and listen to the podcasts while doing things like folding laundry, shopping and walking.

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By: Elizabeth http://sciencebasedparenting.com/2010/08/01/interview-part-2-skeptical-ob-dr-amy-tuteur/#comment-6048 Elizabeth Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:03:32 +0000 http://sciencebasedparenting.com/?p=2145#comment-6048 "She also made it quite clear that in the Netherlands and other first-world countries with many home births that there was vast difference in the training of the midwives, and a thorough screening to reduce the number of high risk pregnancies giving birth at home." That's because she prefers to ignore the states in the U.S. that have similar procedures through regulations and insurance requirements. I haven't heard her speak (my computer time is the kids' quiet time) but I have read several articles on her blog, many of which are much more vitriolic than this one. “She also made it quite clear that in the Netherlands and other first-world countries with many home births that there was vast difference in the training of the midwives, and a thorough screening to reduce the number of high risk pregnancies giving birth at home.”

That’s because she prefers to ignore the states in the U.S. that have similar procedures through regulations and insurance requirements.

I haven’t heard her speak (my computer time is the kids’ quiet time) but I have read several articles on her blog, many of which are much more vitriolic than this one.

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By: Chris http://sciencebasedparenting.com/2010/08/01/interview-part-2-skeptical-ob-dr-amy-tuteur/#comment-6039 Chris Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:00:46 +0000 http://sciencebasedparenting.com/?p=2145#comment-6039 Elizabeth: <blockquote>I think that her extremist vision does a disservice to people who would have liked to give birth in a birth-center type setting with medical backup right there,</blockquote> Funny, but when I listened to the podcast I did not get that impression. I believe she had issues with home births that were very far from medical backup. She also made it quite clear that in the Netherlands and other first-world countries with many home births that there was vast difference in the training of the midwives, and a thorough screening to reduce the number of high risk pregnancies giving birth at home. I don't think she would have a problem with the birth center I went for all three of my children. It was a lovely comfy room in a hospital, with an operating room for emergency C-sections only an elevator ride away. Elizabeth:
I think that her extremist vision does a disservice to people who would have liked to give birth in a birth-center type setting with medical backup right there,

Funny, but when I listened to the podcast I did not get that impression. I believe she had issues with home births that were very far from medical backup. She also made it quite clear that in the Netherlands and other first-world countries with many home births that there was vast difference in the training of the midwives, and a thorough screening to reduce the number of high risk pregnancies giving birth at home.

I don’t think she would have a problem with the birth center I went for all three of my children. It was a lovely comfy room in a hospital, with an operating room for emergency C-sections only an elevator ride away.

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By: Elizabeth http://sciencebasedparenting.com/2010/08/01/interview-part-2-skeptical-ob-dr-amy-tuteur/#comment-6036 Elizabeth Tue, 10 Aug 2010 06:36:21 +0000 http://sciencebasedparenting.com/?p=2145#comment-6036 Nice debate technique, but I've read her blog. Irritated at being called a liar by Dr. Amy? (It has to hurt, women who say they know many who have easy births are lying, etc. etc.) Yes, I am. I think that her extremist vision does a disservice to people who would have liked to give birth in a birth-center type setting with medical backup right there, but who were scared away by meeting OB after OB (and reading articles like this) that suggested again and again we would be ridiculed for suggesting so much as any personal involvement in the process; for knowing our family histories and suggesting that was a relevant consideration, and so on. And if you read her whole blog, there is a lot of lashing out. Sorry to point it out here, but there is. Is she the only one? No, the UnneCesarean (is that how she spells it?) is also angry and it's also useless. But you're not featuring her here. Nice debate technique, but I’ve read her blog.

Irritated at being called a liar by Dr. Amy? (It has to hurt, women who say they know many who have easy births are lying, etc. etc.) Yes, I am. I think that her extremist vision does a disservice to people who would have liked to give birth in a birth-center type setting with medical backup right there, but who were scared away by meeting OB after OB (and reading articles like this) that suggested again and again we would be ridiculed for suggesting so much as any personal involvement in the process; for knowing our family histories and suggesting that was a relevant consideration, and so on.

And if you read her whole blog, there is a lot of lashing out. Sorry to point it out here, but there is. Is she the only one? No, the UnneCesarean (is that how she spells it?) is also angry and it’s also useless.

But you’re not featuring her here.

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By: philosodad http://sciencebasedparenting.com/2010/08/01/interview-part-2-skeptical-ob-dr-amy-tuteur/#comment-6025 philosodad Tue, 10 Aug 2010 00:47:11 +0000 http://sciencebasedparenting.com/?p=2145#comment-6025 "Angry Amy", "anger and absolute hatred", " no surprise she takes it personally" What I see in this comment is that you are creating a caricature of Dr. Amy, one that allows you to determine what she is feeling and thinking, and why, and denouncing that caricature. I think that the anger here is coming from you. You are clearly angry at Dr. Amy, clearly convinced that you know exactly what she is thinking and why you should despise it. “Angry Amy”, “anger and absolute hatred”, ” no surprise she takes it personally”

What I see in this comment is that you are creating a caricature of Dr. Amy, one that allows you to determine what she is feeling and thinking, and why, and denouncing that caricature.

I think that the anger here is coming from you. You are clearly angry at Dr. Amy, clearly convinced that you know exactly what she is thinking and why you should despise it.

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